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Liz Innes's avatar

Isolation and loneliness have been brought about by technology. In my humble opinion, we would all be much better off if I was still making 6 carbon copies on my manual typewriter.

Karen Benz's avatar

Couldn't agree more with you Liz. Guess I'm an old dinosaur.

Wanda Mara's avatar

Are you aware that The Governor of the Bank of Canada is in Beijing, China with Finance Minister Champagne. Since when does the Governor of the Bank of Canada get involved with politics, Mr. Carney should know this having been in this position himself. I think Mr. Macklem’s job should be on the line and I think Mr. Carney should stop acting as ‘all powerful’.

Rauhanlapsi's avatar

"That's science fiction and will never happen!" we said when watching the 1985 release of the movie "Cocoon". It was already well on its way to becoming reality.

Catharina Summers's avatar

That was definitely an interesting listen. Definitely also comforting that a young man from his generational is so insightful. As Etienne-Alexandre pointed out we all need a sense of belongingness and the sense of community which comes with it. Placing the emphasis on individual needs and wants fragments that community.

As a society and civilization we may be going through a Technological Revolution, but accompanying it is a cultural revolution. We are abandoning long held beliefs and traditions, and with that comes an alienation from those around us. It probably started with the Industrial Revolution.

Joseph Loconte in his book, "The War for Middle Earth" discusses the societal impact of the World War I. More recently add to this, COVID did a number on most peoples around the globe. We here in Canada were told on a daily basis to be fearful and to not trust anyone.

Also, yes, the "Our diversity is our strength" is a cop out. Celebrating differences. It places self-interest above needs of our community.

I would argue that when the liberal progressives argue we should give free drugs to the addicts, it is a cop out as well. Rather than helping these folks regain a quality of life, we feed their addiction, absolving ourselves of our real responsibility. Where the focus in the past was family and community first, and then self, today, it is doing what gives one joy. If that interferes with others, that is their problem.

So yes, we need to change course, because our current path is destroying our civilization.

Also, a clarification, at the beginning when there is mention that the Conservatives place an importance on the individual, the comment is somewhat misleading. The Conservatives want policies which empower the individual with the means and freedoms to become a contributing member of their community--for the common good.

Christine Barnett's avatar

Catharine, I agree whole heartedly. People should be given opportunities. They should also be allowed to make what they will with those opportunities. Not be told how to live their lives and be directed by ideologies completely foreign to a copacetic society. We not have been perfect…but we stood by Canadian values. Are we supposed to become a “vanilla” society. No identity. No individuality. No defining culture. Each nation processes a uniqueness. That “value” should remain in that country if they are not willing to assimilate. That does not mean discarding their inherent customs and foods. But it does mean not demanding that Canada accept their ideologies that are not aligned with our shared values. Plus, on a side note…if we’re all the same, what’s the point of traveling to experience other cultures??😉

Becoming Canadian is a right to integrate, not change the combined values of many into divided ideologies contrary to our “melting pot” of a nation. IMHO

Mike Blew's avatar

Considering we don’t have enough infrastructure. Food etc for any more people in any country in the world, why is it an issue if birth rates are down?

Christine Barnett's avatar

Birth rates are down only in certain demographics. Caucasian nations specifically. Therefore, the need to “recruit” from over populated countries and less prosperous ones.

China. India. South Africa.

Steve's avatar

I think its pretty obvious and simple that the use of social media has had the greatest impact on society…. All other points are distractions….but a 25 year old wouldn’t know what society was like before, and has no place lecturing the world what’s wrong with it.

Christine Barnett's avatar

I disagree. He recognized the differences of the past and compared to the future of generations to come. He sees and lives first hand the rapid changes. And apparently, he does not agree with those changes. So yes, he may be young. But he must have been subjected to family/community and its benefits to gain this perspective.

I realize many have not had a particularly decent upbringing. But I believe this young man has.

Steve's avatar

I just don’t think unless you have lived through the transition, you can really see how it’s impacted society. I’m 68, and I see how it has impacted me, a 25 year old can’t even imagine what it was like to grow up in the 60’s. Looking at charts and statistics isn’t experience.

Christine Barnett's avatar

Truer words. I have a few years on you, but I’m still here to try to get us back on course. Enough voices (especially the 40+ and 60+ demographic) have to eventually be heard. I know my grandsons are listening. And my sons…they don’t have a choice!😉

John van Doodewaard's avatar

Those who crave for contact with others, quit social media for awhile and take the time to actually get out and meet people. Communicating with others online is definitely not the same as meeting people in person and establishing friendships.

Christine Barnett's avatar

What a wonderful insightful conversation with Etienne. There’s hope for the current and future generations with young individuals who have the ability to look past the disintegration of society and learn from the past to want a better “normal” evolution of societies.

Humanity may not be lost yet with this extraordinary well researched accurate viewpoint from , what appears to be an unbiased perspective.

Being a “boomer” (no criticism please😊), an immigrant from England in the 1950’s (not the UK homogenized term 😉), a child of Eastern European parents, a parent of well rounded boys, and a grandparent of equally versed grandsons with respect to the family unit and responsibilities…this interview really resonated with me.

Family units, friends, communities were the lifeline, the comfort zone, we could all share. Whether after a difficult day at work, arguments with a friend or neighbour, disagreements in sports…we all belonged. We could call “a place we hung our hat’s”…HOME. (An old pre-boomer saying ).

Children were disciplined, good night kisses were dispersed, we enjoyed family meals together and shared our love of team sports with our friends.

We may have wished for better jobs. We may have envied a successful person. We may have had heated discussions about politics. We may have come home with any of those scenarios with opinions.

But…we came home to a family unit.

The idea that “fulfilling your opportunities/destinies” was always there and achievable. But it did not replace the feeling of belonging. A feeling of pride. A feeling of community.

Immigration, in the hopes of a better life is the backbone of North American society.

The difference between then and now… organic natural integration and assimilation for a united purpose.

The prosperity, the growth together in harmony as a nation.

What has happened, for well over a decade is completely the opposite. Striving for individuality ( which should come naturally), rights that are not earned, and divisions serving no purpose seem to be the catalyst for this change in society.

I have one comment I’d like to put out there. I have read Carney’s book “Values”. I have read a portion of the 2015/2030 UN SUMMIT AGREEMENT ( long read if you’re interested). I read the Weekly WEF newsletter. I listened to Carney’s DAVOS speech.

I genuinely do not like this man.

But, my question is, what are Carney’s VALUES…and what does Carney VALUE??

Surprisingly, there is a difference.

And I don’t believe that most “normal” people and societies believe what he does. I’ll leave it at that. 😉

Andi V.'s avatar

In the 90s, seeing the rise of the minority rights, I reached the conclusion that the only way democracy can survive is in its 'dictatorship of majority' definition. Of course, this 'dictatorship' would be kept in check by Basic Human Rights. Catering to minorities make them fraction in smaller and smaller factions until we have to address all the wishes of a handful of people - and we have seen how Canadian leaders carve up Canadian unity and Canada itself to favour some 1200-members tribe.

I support the rights and aspirations of everyone but how about we preach tolerance and not legislation. Did we need "the right to pronouns" or do we have to write special paragraphs polygamists as long as they can live their life the way they want?

John Powell's avatar

Note :”this is a misattribution. The wording was assembled from Peter Foster’s June 2021 National Post review of Value(s): Building a Better World for All, then presented online as if Carney had written it himself.”

“Those phrases belong to the reviewer. Carney does discuss stranded assets and the economic disruption of a climate transition; that part of the meme is closer to themes in the book, but the surrounding framing and the claim that the whole block is a quotation from Value(s) are false”

Sorry

Derek Speed's avatar

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function"

Emeritus Professor Of Physics -Albert Bartlett

Albert Allen Bartlett (March 21, 1923 – September 7, 2013) was an emeritus professor of physics at the University of Colorado at Boulder, USA. As of July 2001 Professor Bartlett had lectured over 1,742 times. Bartlett regarded the word combination "sustainable growth" as an oxymoron, since even modest annual percentage population increases will inevitably equate to huge exponential growth over sustained periods of time. He therefore regarded human overpopulation as "The Greatest Challenge" facing humanity

Now let's explain the "Exponential Function" so the under educated understand the problem

8.4 BILLION (current human population) If it grows at 1% per year, it DOUBLES in 70 years, if it grows at 2% per year, it DOUBLES in 35 years, if it grows at 3% per year it DOUBLES in 24 years. Anything that grows exponentially, grows in a predictable amount of TIME. These are Albert Bartlett's equations of "Exponential Growth" as seen in the link provided https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZA9Hnp3aV4

Human population growth on this planet in the last 24 hours, 220 000 or, you the human race birth and build a city the size of Rochester New York for every ONE DAY. Human population growth on this planet in the year 2023, 82 MILLION, or you the human race birth and build a country the size of Germany for every ONE YEAR. As seen in the link providedhttps://www.worldometers.info/http://www.worldometers.info/

PERSPECTIVE: It took the United States of America 235 YEARS to reach a population of 330 million, now you the human race collectively birth and build a country the size of America every 4.25 years. That is what "Made America Great" for the last 65 years

Oldest known cave paintings made by man, scientifically radiocarbon dated to approximately 40 000 years ago. The same science concludes that there were less than a half a billion people on the earth at that time. From the time of those cave paintings, until the year 1960 is how long it took human population on this planet to grow from less than a half a billion to 3 billion a population growth of just 2.5 billion, over a time span of 40 000 years

HOWEVER, from the year 1960 to this the year 2025, human population on this planet grew by more than DOUBLE that a population growth of 5.4 BILLION, in just 65 years. Human population on this planet has been growing 80 times faster than any virus or bacteria known to man, for over 60 years. Human population will exceed this planets ability to sustain you ALL in the next 24-35 years. THAT is a Mathematical FACT and I'm going to prove it.

In 1960 the worlds population was approximately 3 billion and the probable chances of you contracting a deadly virus in a Global Pandemic, was 1 in 6. Now, you have over 8.4 BILLION people on the planet and the probable chances of you contracting a deadly virus in a global pandemic is less than 1 in 3

It's MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to Make America Great Again

An example of this can be made out of China, a country of over 1.4 billion people. After 35 years of population control, the Chinese government eliminated their "One Child Policy". The reasoning behind the move and policy shift is to address the fact that one child cannot afford the necessary taxes to support two parents pensions, Government taxation and themselves with one income.

Therefore, this concludes the 2.3% factor to economic growth, each two people need to produce 2.3 people to sustain all that in which you’ve ever known, and service accumulated debts of previous generations (Antonio’s Pound of Flesh). The greater the national debt, the greater the population and taxation need to be to sustain and service said debt. Baby Boomers, with their grandiose ideals of “Building A Better World” with a credit card, under the pretense that Economic Growth can be sustained in perpetuity or “forever and ever amen”, Capitalism is founded on two principals, God and Economic Growth.

Now, let’s get to GMO’s, Pesticides, Antibiotics, Growth Hormones, Steroids, Artificial Meat, Vaccines, Ultra Processed Foods and why they’re used , ,

The land needed per person for horticulture and agriculture ranges dramatically from 0.25 acres for an intensive, plant-forward, bio-intensive diet to 2 to 5 acres for traditional, less intensive, or mixed-diet homesteading. The exact amount depends on your diet, growing methods, and climate

Intensive/Bio-intensive: You can grow a complete year's worth of calories and produce for one person using about 500 to 1,000 square feet (approx. 0.01 to 0.02 acres)

Industrial/Conventional Diet: The standard meat-heavy diet requires roughly 2.5 to 2.7 acres of agricultural land per person

So, let’s average that out shall we .5 - 2.5 acres of land per person multiplied by 8.4 BILLION.

The result of multiplying a range of 0.5 to 2.5 acres by 8.4 billion is a total land area ranging from 4.2 billion acres to 21 billion acres.

Breakdown of the Calculation

Minimum Area: \(0.5 \text{ acres} \times 8,400,000,000 = \mathbf{4,200,000,000 \text{ acres}}\) (4.2 billion acres)

Maximum Area: \(2.5 \text{ acres} \times 8,400,000,000 = \mathbf{21,000,000,000 \text{ acres}}\) (21 billion acres

Contextualizing the Scale

To help visualize this massive quantity of land: [http://activecalculator.com/ca%E2%80%A6]

4.2 billion acres is roughly equivalent to 1.8 times the entire total land mass of the United States.

21 billion acres is roughly equivalent to 64% of the total land surface area of planet Earth (which sits at about 32.9 billion acres)

Global agricultural land covers approximately 4.8 billion hectares (48 million square kilometers), accounting for about 38% to 44% of the Earth's habitable land. This total farmable area is broadly split into two main categories: [http://ourworldindata.org/glob%E2%80%A6, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%E2%80%A6]

Cropland: About 1.6 billion hectares (16 million square kilometers) are actively cultivated to grow temporary and permanent crops.

Pasture and Grazing Land: About 3.2 billion hectares are used as permanent meadows and pastures for livestock

What is "Intelligence"? (An Objective View)

How to diagnose:

Think of a number between 1 and 10.

Multiply it by 9.

Take the double digit you now have, separate them and add them together.

Minus 5.

Take the number you now have and associate it with its corresponding letter in the alphabet, ie: 1 would be A, 2, would be B, 3, would be C, etc, etc.

Take the letter you now have and think of a country in Europe that starts with that letter.

Take the second letter in that countries name and think of an animal that starts with that letter.

What colour is that animal?

Now, you're going to spend the next month trying to figure out why you have a Grey Elephant taking up all the room in your head.

I give you the education I want you to have, so you come to the exact conclusion I want you to make. Once you see something, you can't unsee it, once you hear something, you can't unhear it, once you LEARN something, you can't "Unlearn" it, I have permanently embedded the "Element Of Doubt" in your brain and now it's there forever and will directly effect every decision you make from this point forward, it's called "Intelligence", I call it Lucifer's Inception :)

"If Thou Be The Son Of God, Command These Stones Be Made Bread" -Saint Lucifer.

Hubris, a fine quality, often possessed by those who perish from it, or enslave themselves to it.

Google: What comes after LIMBO?

Lucifer’s Inception - Chapter 1 - LIMBO

Sources:

Albert Einstein -Theoretical Physicist

(The Equations of Relativity)

Albert Bartlett -Emeritus Professor Of Physics

(The Equations of Exponential Growth)

Stanley Milgram -Experimental Psychologist

(The Perils of Obedience)

Solomon Asch -Experimental Social Psychologist

(Social Pressure Conformity).

You can hate me all you want, but I’m not wrong, I don’t need to lie to you to get your approval, as it’s not your approval I seek

-Saint Lucifer. https://derekspeed.substack.com/p/lucifers-inception?r=3nv6zp

Steve's avatar

Most western countries populations are declining, if it wasn’t for immigration.

If the third world would quit having 9 children might help.

If we had real, strong, honest leaders ,

The worlds problems could be easily remedied.

Andi V.'s avatar

The answer is not "YES" or "NO". Indeed, immigration is necessary but what kind of migration. I am an immigrant myself - in 1997 I had to pay 1000USD to get my file processed by Canada, from a salary of 150$/mo I was making at the time, and was very tough evaluated against a grid - language, qualifications etc. I waited 2 yrs and 7 mo and had to show 13,000$ when landing with my wife and child in Vancouver. I got a very well paid job in two (2) weeks. Canada had a very tough immigration program and was adding 200-300,000 people per year, the vast majority qualified, w language skills etc. Then Trudeau upped it to 1 mil/yr with no vetting. Do you think that a middle age Afghan herder who is is illiterate in his own language with 2 wives and 8 children is or will ever be of any benefit to Canada?

A study made in Holland found that while N. Americans who immigrated there bring +500,000 euro to the country over their lifetime, a Somali immigrant will cost (housing, welfare etc.) the state over 700,000 euro! But, hey, they get diversity which - it seems - is the greatest strength of all (despite homogenous societies who brought up to this point).

Derek Speed's avatar

Solve the economic problem of 40.2 TRILLION Dollar National Debt? Do you know what happens to a country when their default on their National Debt and can't pay any government employees like Police, Army, Navy, Air-force Marines etc, etc, etc? You can't 'solve' this problem you have to wait for it to fail and start over again.

any minute now.

The Modern Mantuamaker's avatar

It's worst in the west but population decline is happening almost everywhere. It's happening China, Japan is at crisis point, even India has now dipped below replacement birth rates. Only Africa is still seeing population increase but the rate of increase has declined significantly and it is expected to fall below replacement rates in the not distant future. In fact, currently, world population is predicted to peak around 2050 and then start declining overall. The estimate is 2 Billion fewer humans by 2200. Now, this sort of modelling is probably sketchy but looking at how things are trending I wouldn't be surprised if we do hit a peak and then start declining again, regardless of when and/or by how much.

Christine Barnett's avatar

I wonder what the world (One World Order) will look like on 2050?

Won’t be here…but I’m still curious. 😉

The Modern Mantuamaker's avatar

Well, barring something unfortunate happening I should still be here. Would you like me to try a seance to let you know how it's going? 😜

Derek Speed's avatar

Here's your problem, go to every country on the planet and check and see if their population growth targets are no less than 2.3%. Global Economic Failure is imminent and there is NOTHING anybody can do to stop it.

Christine Barnett's avatar

I’m not sure if you’ve realized this. But a very small percentage of readers will read past a paragraph or two. And short ones at that.

I see the point you’re making. Most people won’t. So there is THAT!😉

Martin Dixon's avatar

Watch episode 5 season 3 of Lioness. He literally sounds like Professor Richard Eley who gets arrested as a spy at the end of the episode. Even looks a bit like him.

When I started going to the Y every day to work out when I was 24, everything got better. Health, social life, business connections, etc.