Polls: I believe number one that when they say “Canadians” is an outright misconception or lie, whatever ya want. It should always read “Canadians, of the 1000 polled” ! Number two is that poll was taken in what targeted zone of the province or city. Eg; Northern Ontario, Sudbury, Regina or wherever. Why do they have to deliberately try to fleece the public? There should be a law against it period. We don’t need a poll, especially when the pollsters may have been paid off, have a relative in the game, have investment In the outcome in some manner as in another cultural area etc. you get the point here. Abolish polls completely. They are entirely misleading, intentionally. When they start off with a lie”Canadians” yu should know right away something is wrong. OR poll every 41 million of us then say Canadians polled.
These polling numbers don't surprise me at all given that TDS is even more rampant in Canada - including among *many* conservatives (particularly the older ones, it seems). However, what is currently the Carney & Co.'s greatest (really only) strength has a shelf life. I've noticed over the past year some fluctuation in the polls. Every time Trump gives Carney an opportunity to go elbows-up his poll numbers jump. But when Trump isn't front and centre, the numbers start to dip. Now, that hasn't happened for a long enough stretch of time yet to see real downward movement but it indicates that the Libs are pretty dependent on the "Trump factor" to maintain support. That literally cannot last forever. And Carney may have painted himself into a corner. He's whipped up anti-Americanism to such a fever-pitch that, yes, he may have a tricky time selling them on one. But if he never gets one and the economy starts taking real hits that even his supporters feel then they may start to turn on him for that. Canadians have recently shown just how feckless, shallow and immature they really are. Polling shows the majority supports Carney walking away from a deal (despite none of us having seen what it actually was) but that they're unwilling to be financially/economically impacted by it (taking even a $500/yr hit for it is too much for a similar majority). The populace at this time isn't just emotional, the bulk of them are currently outright unhinged.
You're right. I grew up in Conservative politics. People who were very involved... like candidates for the riding have "elbows up" signs on their lawns. I just can't believe how successful this con job has been. Give the devil his due, I guess.
Well stated. Ignorance is bliss, so the saying goes. But if and when the consequences come, they’re liable to be dumbfounded. “How did this happen??” The rest of us will let them know…it was YOU! 😉
We’re programmed to be dependant not free thinkers. Their programming will prove to have failed at some point…if not already. Eyes wide open Canada.
I’d actually be interested to know how they come up with these numbers and confidence they are actually accurate. I've heard how they do it and I realize they can’t poll everyone, but I don’t know anyone who’s ever been asked to participate in one of these polls. Makes you wonder who they’re actually reaching out to come up with these alleged numbers.
I am more interested in how the questions are phrased. If the question is phrased to get a desired agreement or gently push towards a specific response the poll cannot be called valid.
Absolutely correct Catharine. I have returned a few surveys. There is no “opinion” section. Just N odd set of specific responses. I’ve stopped answering.
Exactly. Supporters of Carney are found mostly in certain demographics. I also disagree, that those over 55, are the largest segment of supporters…including some conservatives. I am surrounded by the 30, 40 and 55+ in our region. ALL, resoundingly Conservative. I’m not in the GTHA.
Doesn’t say much for the collective capability of liberal voters when it comes to a critical thought process around which party would actually govern Canada effectively. Cheered on by the corrupt main media.
Mere snapshots in time those polls are, ones that take the collective breath away of the paid talking heads littering the sets of political news talk shows pumping out the same talking points. We remain stuck in neutral, slowly rolling backwards as those cheerleaders continue their practice of 'splaining away and heaping effusive praise the federal government's supposed actions, while dismissively holding the opposition to account.
Anyway, there's nothing like the results of the only polling that counts, the one where voters cast ballots after listening to the parties directly without the talking heads telling us how we should think. Under those circumstances, I think the much ballyhooed Mark Carney will have a hard time telling us what he's accomplished in his time as Prime Minister, other than securing us a spot on that cheesy Eurovision singing contest.
One can only imagine what life will be like for us if we find the Canadian version of Heino belting out some tune in Strasbourg...
What exactly qualifies a few thousand people to supposedly speak for millions of voters? Polls can measure the opinions of the people they actually surveyed, but presenting that as though it represents how an entire country will vote is a pretty big leap. That’s why I take these polls with a very large grain of salt.
For any poll to be worthwhile, it must do a cross section of polling in all areas of the country & not just 1000. How about 50.000 or 10% of Canadians who are eligible to vote? That would certainly be a more productive poll than 1000 would it not??
Nothing wrong with diverse trade relations. Although the US will always be our #1 trade, geopolitical, neighbor and defence partner. That will not and should not change.
Personally, I don’t believe that trade, per se, is a deterrent between Canada and the EU. Although, they (and Canada) were in the same mindset as the WEF/UN mandates, those individual nations are backtracking on many of the 2015/30 UN SUMMIT AGREEMENT mandates and policies. As many Canadians are now ( or hopefully will soon). 🤞
Trade and likeminded attitudes are collectively beneficial for the bottom line of those countries and their people.
Let’s try to strive for unity, change in DEI policies and diversity in global trade.
North Americans, in general, have to become more internationally savvy and ensure that investment is made in an educational system that makes economics and finance and global affairs mandatory.
As a senior who is 20+ years over the 60+ line, I cannot fathom why so many of those who fall in the same 60+ bracket are so enamoured of Carney! For all his postulations, posturing and pointless holier-than-thou smarminess, what on Gaia's green earth has PM Carney *actually accomplished* ... apart from importing Chinese cars no one wants to buy, and guaranteeing a deficit even greater than that of his spendthrift predecessor?!
Didn't he *assure* us that with his elbows up, *he* was the man to handle Trump?! And this is how he "handles" him?! Declaring "war", then running off in all directions seeking alternate trade deals that may (or based on his past performances, more likely may not) come to fruition?!
Haven't we been down this road before. When first elected to a majority and another one after Trudeau was the darling that could do no wrong. Scandal after scanndal and it just rolled off his back. Giving a convicted murdering terrorist 10.5 mil. and they could care less that he murdered a Medic and left a widow with 2 young children. Also another person lost an to the same convicted murderer. Seems a lot of Liberal voters didn't get that Trudeau was buying the Islamic vote. The same is happening now with Carney who said he was the only one that could handal Trump which he can't. He is good at getting these same voters all riled up about Trump. That is not helping our country in any way. Carney seems to have more Teflon than Trudeau ever had. Cozying up to China will not end well. Again what was the deal and the truth of why he was ready to sign but walked away. He got the nickname "The Unreliable Boyfriend" in England. Do one thing one day and do the opposite the next. Sound familar.
I didn't realize how many Canadians are clueless as to what Carney is doing. Yes, he says a LOT of good things, but exactly WHAT has he accomplished except a fight with the U.S. our MAJOR TRADING PARTNER. That alone is NOT GOOD FOR CANADIANS but I guess there are those who simply don't give a crap! Polls, for the most part, are misleading as evidenced in the previous election! They're really not worth their salt!!
My suspicious mind tells me the Liberal strategy worked. A few weeks before Canada pulled out of the negotiations there were some rumblings about Carney caving too often. Carney pulled out, appeared to develop a backbone and the Canadian electorate are supportive. Today in Ireland Trump said we could expect a deal with Canada fairly soon. With his solid majority, Carney can now sell the farm and Canadians will believe him when he tells us he did the best he could.
By the way, Poilievre did great in the U.S. this past week.
Carney went ‘elbows up’ to win some by-elections and will not seriously try to help Canadians until the Quebec election is over in October. Meanwhile, in a break from calling and spending dollars on calling Albertans traitors, the advertising dollars are now being spent on ways to disgrace the Parti Québécois Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon. Carney and the liberals are spending lots of tax dollars with the stay in Canada ads for both Alberta and Quebec, so Carney might keep ‘elbows up’ until after the Quebec election, but Albertans aren’t really in the elbows up game.
So, I expect that after October 8th, there will be a miraculous deal made with the US, the Keystone Pipeline will be approved and the ads calling Albertans traitors will end and ads suggesting that Canada is on Alberta’s side will begin.
I could be wrong of course, but I am not sure how many Albertans would bet against me. We have seen this plot many times before.
I would like to know who the fools are and the area they live in because out here in the west I don’t know a single person who would vote for Carney or any liberals
If I were stranded on a desert island with Carney and we found a raft and a map to civilisation, I would let him have the raft. That’s how much I don’t trust the guy and how far I’d go to never ever again hear his condescending, pompous, elitist voice.
I don’t believe a single word coming out of his mouth.
He has proven time and time again how undeserving of my trust he is. Yet, the man can do no wrong according to the elbows up brigade. His popularity defies logic and common sense.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, Canadians have been conditioned by the Liberal Party and the legacy media to be hateful, fearful and resentful and Carney reinforce it every chance he gets.
The measure of a man’s character is in his actions, not his proclamations. Carney’s character is most definitively wanting.
so who are they Polling -The CBC lunchroom? Because I’ve never been pulled and I certainly don’t know anyone who has. I don’t trust the polls. Do they have certain people they poll all the time? Because they give “ right” answer.
Polls: I believe number one that when they say “Canadians” is an outright misconception or lie, whatever ya want. It should always read “Canadians, of the 1000 polled” ! Number two is that poll was taken in what targeted zone of the province or city. Eg; Northern Ontario, Sudbury, Regina or wherever. Why do they have to deliberately try to fleece the public? There should be a law against it period. We don’t need a poll, especially when the pollsters may have been paid off, have a relative in the game, have investment In the outcome in some manner as in another cultural area etc. you get the point here. Abolish polls completely. They are entirely misleading, intentionally. When they start off with a lie”Canadians” yu should know right away something is wrong. OR poll every 41 million of us then say Canadians polled.
Yes, how can you get an accurate polling of over 40 million people when only 1000 are asked their opinion? It also depends how you ask the questions.
agreed WE DO NOT need Polls to tell us WHAT SOMEONE ELSE THINKS
In reality the polls are fairly reliable. I may not like the results, but sometimes life stinks, and we move on.
Polls are "reliable". Tell me one poll that was accurate please or even close.
These polling numbers don't surprise me at all given that TDS is even more rampant in Canada - including among *many* conservatives (particularly the older ones, it seems). However, what is currently the Carney & Co.'s greatest (really only) strength has a shelf life. I've noticed over the past year some fluctuation in the polls. Every time Trump gives Carney an opportunity to go elbows-up his poll numbers jump. But when Trump isn't front and centre, the numbers start to dip. Now, that hasn't happened for a long enough stretch of time yet to see real downward movement but it indicates that the Libs are pretty dependent on the "Trump factor" to maintain support. That literally cannot last forever. And Carney may have painted himself into a corner. He's whipped up anti-Americanism to such a fever-pitch that, yes, he may have a tricky time selling them on one. But if he never gets one and the economy starts taking real hits that even his supporters feel then they may start to turn on him for that. Canadians have recently shown just how feckless, shallow and immature they really are. Polling shows the majority supports Carney walking away from a deal (despite none of us having seen what it actually was) but that they're unwilling to be financially/economically impacted by it (taking even a $500/yr hit for it is too much for a similar majority). The populace at this time isn't just emotional, the bulk of them are currently outright unhinged.
Edits: - TDS is more rampant in Canada *than the US*.
- Carney may have a tricky time selling people on *a deal*
I really wish you could go back and edit comments on here.
You're right. I grew up in Conservative politics. People who were very involved... like candidates for the riding have "elbows up" signs on their lawns. I just can't believe how successful this con job has been. Give the devil his due, I guess.
Well stated. Ignorance is bliss, so the saying goes. But if and when the consequences come, they’re liable to be dumbfounded. “How did this happen??” The rest of us will let them know…it was YOU! 😉
We’re programmed to be dependant not free thinkers. Their programming will prove to have failed at some point…if not already. Eyes wide open Canada.
I’d actually be interested to know how they come up with these numbers and confidence they are actually accurate. I've heard how they do it and I realize they can’t poll everyone, but I don’t know anyone who’s ever been asked to participate in one of these polls. Makes you wonder who they’re actually reaching out to come up with these alleged numbers.
I am more interested in how the questions are phrased. If the question is phrased to get a desired agreement or gently push towards a specific response the poll cannot be called valid.
Absolutely correct Catharine. I have returned a few surveys. There is no “opinion” section. Just N odd set of specific responses. I’ve stopped answering.
That is definitely a concern as well.
The teachers union in Ontario actually does that very thing in there “surveys”. No opinion. One sided questions.
Exactly. I've NEVER been polled & I've never known anyone TO BE POLLED so it is curious for sure. Who are they actually asking???
Exactly. Supporters of Carney are found mostly in certain demographics. I also disagree, that those over 55, are the largest segment of supporters…including some conservatives. I am surrounded by the 30, 40 and 55+ in our region. ALL, resoundingly Conservative. I’m not in the GTHA.
Polls are not meant to reflect outcomes. They are meant to influence outcomes
I think that's true as well.
Doesn’t say much for the collective capability of liberal voters when it comes to a critical thought process around which party would actually govern Canada effectively. Cheered on by the corrupt main media.
Mere snapshots in time those polls are, ones that take the collective breath away of the paid talking heads littering the sets of political news talk shows pumping out the same talking points. We remain stuck in neutral, slowly rolling backwards as those cheerleaders continue their practice of 'splaining away and heaping effusive praise the federal government's supposed actions, while dismissively holding the opposition to account.
Anyway, there's nothing like the results of the only polling that counts, the one where voters cast ballots after listening to the parties directly without the talking heads telling us how we should think. Under those circumstances, I think the much ballyhooed Mark Carney will have a hard time telling us what he's accomplished in his time as Prime Minister, other than securing us a spot on that cheesy Eurovision singing contest.
One can only imagine what life will be like for us if we find the Canadian version of Heino belting out some tune in Strasbourg...
What exactly qualifies a few thousand people to supposedly speak for millions of voters? Polls can measure the opinions of the people they actually surveyed, but presenting that as though it represents how an entire country will vote is a pretty big leap. That’s why I take these polls with a very large grain of salt.
For any poll to be worthwhile, it must do a cross section of polling in all areas of the country & not just 1000. How about 50.000 or 10% of Canadians who are eligible to vote? That would certainly be a more productive poll than 1000 would it not??
Nothing wrong with diverse trade relations. Although the US will always be our #1 trade, geopolitical, neighbor and defence partner. That will not and should not change.
Personally, I don’t believe that trade, per se, is a deterrent between Canada and the EU. Although, they (and Canada) were in the same mindset as the WEF/UN mandates, those individual nations are backtracking on many of the 2015/30 UN SUMMIT AGREEMENT mandates and policies. As many Canadians are now ( or hopefully will soon). 🤞
Trade and likeminded attitudes are collectively beneficial for the bottom line of those countries and their people.
Let’s try to strive for unity, change in DEI policies and diversity in global trade.
North Americans, in general, have to become more internationally savvy and ensure that investment is made in an educational system that makes economics and finance and global affairs mandatory.
As a senior who is 20+ years over the 60+ line, I cannot fathom why so many of those who fall in the same 60+ bracket are so enamoured of Carney! For all his postulations, posturing and pointless holier-than-thou smarminess, what on Gaia's green earth has PM Carney *actually accomplished* ... apart from importing Chinese cars no one wants to buy, and guaranteeing a deficit even greater than that of his spendthrift predecessor?!
Didn't he *assure* us that with his elbows up, *he* was the man to handle Trump?! And this is how he "handles" him?! Declaring "war", then running off in all directions seeking alternate trade deals that may (or based on his past performances, more likely may not) come to fruition?!
My thoughts exactly
Carney is good at buying votes like free grocery money etc.. Same as Trudeau.
Haven't we been down this road before. When first elected to a majority and another one after Trudeau was the darling that could do no wrong. Scandal after scanndal and it just rolled off his back. Giving a convicted murdering terrorist 10.5 mil. and they could care less that he murdered a Medic and left a widow with 2 young children. Also another person lost an to the same convicted murderer. Seems a lot of Liberal voters didn't get that Trudeau was buying the Islamic vote. The same is happening now with Carney who said he was the only one that could handal Trump which he can't. He is good at getting these same voters all riled up about Trump. That is not helping our country in any way. Carney seems to have more Teflon than Trudeau ever had. Cozying up to China will not end well. Again what was the deal and the truth of why he was ready to sign but walked away. He got the nickname "The Unreliable Boyfriend" in England. Do one thing one day and do the opposite the next. Sound familar.
I didn't realize how many Canadians are clueless as to what Carney is doing. Yes, he says a LOT of good things, but exactly WHAT has he accomplished except a fight with the U.S. our MAJOR TRADING PARTNER. That alone is NOT GOOD FOR CANADIANS but I guess there are those who simply don't give a crap! Polls, for the most part, are misleading as evidenced in the previous election! They're really not worth their salt!!
My suspicious mind tells me the Liberal strategy worked. A few weeks before Canada pulled out of the negotiations there were some rumblings about Carney caving too often. Carney pulled out, appeared to develop a backbone and the Canadian electorate are supportive. Today in Ireland Trump said we could expect a deal with Canada fairly soon. With his solid majority, Carney can now sell the farm and Canadians will believe him when he tells us he did the best he could.
By the way, Poilievre did great in the U.S. this past week.
So here is the plot...
Carney went ‘elbows up’ to win some by-elections and will not seriously try to help Canadians until the Quebec election is over in October. Meanwhile, in a break from calling and spending dollars on calling Albertans traitors, the advertising dollars are now being spent on ways to disgrace the Parti Québécois Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon. Carney and the liberals are spending lots of tax dollars with the stay in Canada ads for both Alberta and Quebec, so Carney might keep ‘elbows up’ until after the Quebec election, but Albertans aren’t really in the elbows up game.
So, I expect that after October 8th, there will be a miraculous deal made with the US, the Keystone Pipeline will be approved and the ads calling Albertans traitors will end and ads suggesting that Canada is on Alberta’s side will begin.
I could be wrong of course, but I am not sure how many Albertans would bet against me. We have seen this plot many times before.
There may well be some truth to that.
I would like to know who the fools are and the area they live in because out here in the west I don’t know a single person who would vote for Carney or any liberals
Women
If I were stranded on a desert island with Carney and we found a raft and a map to civilisation, I would let him have the raft. That’s how much I don’t trust the guy and how far I’d go to never ever again hear his condescending, pompous, elitist voice.
I don’t believe a single word coming out of his mouth.
He has proven time and time again how undeserving of my trust he is. Yet, the man can do no wrong according to the elbows up brigade. His popularity defies logic and common sense.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, Canadians have been conditioned by the Liberal Party and the legacy media to be hateful, fearful and resentful and Carney reinforce it every chance he gets.
The measure of a man’s character is in his actions, not his proclamations. Carney’s character is most definitively wanting.
I totally agree but the same ones voted for Trudeau again and again and that baffles my mind.
so who are they Polling -The CBC lunchroom? Because I’ve never been pulled and I certainly don’t know anyone who has. I don’t trust the polls. Do they have certain people they poll all the time? Because they give “ right” answer.
One minute Carney said we had the best deal, now it’s a shit deal… The man is a liar but no one in the media calls him out.
The polls are garbage.