I’d sooner trust gas station sushi (I don’t even like sushi) than anything Carney says or does. He’s not exactly known for telling the truth about anything.
I agree we need the auto sector as it is good for both sides of the border. However at the rate we are going the Canadian government will be the majority owner/share holder. Lastly , I cannot in all good faith trust this government to obtain a good deal on anything from the US. Too many denials, reversals, distortions misdirections from the liberals.
I am with you on dumping MC but the rest is silly. The truth is that if we follow the rest we really should ask to become the 51st state. We do need to negotiate a decent deal but that way does not include rolling over as you suggest.
Begging for forgiveness for being total absolute a holes is not “ rolling over”. I won’t list the many sins of Carney but fraudulently dumping Chinese steel and Chinese made cars as “ Canadian “ under CUSMA into the USA will be enough.Chrck out the Chinese made GM “ Envision”. 2016. The fact that GM Canada were party BITD to the fraud exporting them to USA as “ Canadian “ doesn’t make the fraud any less culpable. 25,000 direct Oshawa GM employment in 1975. Now ? Maybe 1200
I’m so grateful for America and all the good fortune the USA made possible for myself ,and others , over the past 50 years in Canada.
I am devastated by the sheer arrogance and duplicity of the Liberal government.
No chance MC will roll over but he might get off his high horse. Silly and naive to think the EU will replace the USA as trading partner. Get real Carney
I was thinking about how things changed in Canada. We had immigrants after the second world war. In the automotive sector two of them, Rainer and Harry Brezinka brothers in the 70’s ( excuse my errors in fact ) iirc invented the auto serpentine accessory drive belt and tensioner an amazing invention found in every ice car today. BITD simple V belts drove accessories. Simple, crude ,wore out squealed when slipping ,and fell off. But cheap. If I got it right the brezinkas along with Frank stronach sold Cadillac on the serp belt and the rest is history.
Where are the Brezinka’s and Stronach auto geniuses of today ?
Switch gears to Nortel. I knew many folks who worked for them. In the middle 80’s and early 90’s the computer kids out of southern Ontario universities were simply spellbinding. I hired some of them OMG. Fabulous
Where are they now?
Where are the new canadian visionaries?
I also spent time with the CEO John Roth in early 2000 who told me proudly “ I made many millionaires. “.
That company imploded but under Frank Dunn as CEO the fabulous expertise and Canadian native computer genius of Nortel was hacked and stolen.
By China.
And that has to be the saddest thing I have heard: For Carney to say that the USA presents a larger security threat to Canada than China?
Agreed!! Carney has been nothing more than a pox on our faces!! He said his experience as EU banker would assist Canadians. HOW as Trudeau opened the gates to migrants neglecting building homes :( Carney has jet setted wagging his jaw about carbon neutral but homes HAVEN’T been built to keep up!! :(
I would like to support you but there are just too many I already support. There are some I would like to support. I support Taxpayers Fed, National Citizens Coalition, Terry Glavin, and Rebel. Can’t do more!
I don’t trust Net Zero Carney, Chinese EVs are probably made with forced/slave labour and so heavily subsidized they are destroying the auto industries in Brazil and Europe. Where is the integrity and morality when slave labour is very probable? I keep reading how inferior Chinese steel and most products are from there. Carney has never ceased lying since he ran for Liberal leader.
Dear Mr Lilley, carnage carney is purposefully and successively leading our blind naive country straight into into globalist tyranny. Please don’t encourage ignorant Canadians to think anything about carney is honest or good!
If we want "... one that doesn’t abandon auto, including medium- and heavy-duty trucks.", maybe our negotiators should have read the contract before they rode into town with pens in their holsters. F-350s are not 'autos', they're trucks.
There is no way the Americans 'changed the contract at the last minute', any more than they had an epiphany that Canada is a bilingual country and suddenly had a problem with that. That's all nonsense.
Why can't our government just be honest with us for a change? It would save a lot of time, money, and effort from washing egg off our faces.
Seems to me that Carney is the one causing problems for ALL Canadian industry. His ego seems to prevent him from negotiating a decent deal with the American trade delegation.
No sane Canadian wants the auto industry to disappear any more than most other reputable employers. The unanswered question with the previous bailouts and subsidies etc etc is how much have these decent paying jobs actually cost Canada and the taxpayers. At what point dollar wise do these jobs go underwater if they haven’t already? With more and more automation in these factories being a reality there seems little point in paying for imported robots.
Agree. Carney ran away from negotiating a trade deal and foolishly thinks the EU will come to Canada's rescue and China. Time to get off his high horse with Amita Anand and negotiate with our neighbour.
There is nothing wrong with the Australian approach. A Canadian auto sector only makes sense if we can export into the States (which is appearing more and more unlikely). We don't have the economy of scale to support an indigenous auto manufacturing sector, unless the government provides massive subsidies, subsidies that other industries don't get. Time to move on and stop being blackmailed.
All very well and good to say we need a deal that protects Canada’s auto industry, but what do we bring to the table? Maybe once Canadians see that the blue wave down south isn’t going to move the needle on tariffs we can get serious about negotiating.
I’d sooner trust gas station sushi (I don’t even like sushi) than anything Carney says or does. He’s not exactly known for telling the truth about anything.
It’s simple actually. The USA automakers have been winding down Canadian operations for decades.
Canada is not a good country for investment. Taxation ,onerous regulations, and stifling government policies are the root cause.
Even a worthless Canadian dollar can’t save it.
When I first moved to Oshawa in 1975 GM were the biggest game in town.
They were good to us all ,as an employer. Farmers. Contractors. Just plain folks . We flourished.
Ford ,Oakville ; Detroit diesel ,St Thomas , a GM engine plant St Catherine’s , and Chrysler Windsor.
One by one they left.
Now we starve
The treatment of a near bankrupt Stellantis over a plant that hadn’t operated for ! THREE YEARS! By Carney and the hapless foot soldier Jolie?
The message is clear. Canada doesn’t welcome any business anymore.
“USA is a security threat worse than China “ says Carney.
Thanks for nothing.
Solution. Dump Carney! make a trade deal, toss regulation and onerous taxation out , and STFU
Negotiate
Plead for forgiveness.
Otherwise we are UK.
We must be like Poland
Sorry, one additional point. I agree that Canada is not a good place in which to invest, given taxation, regulation, etc.
I agree we need the auto sector as it is good for both sides of the border. However at the rate we are going the Canadian government will be the majority owner/share holder. Lastly , I cannot in all good faith trust this government to obtain a good deal on anything from the US. Too many denials, reversals, distortions misdirections from the liberals.
Excellent and arrogance and childish rejections but Canadians like Carney’s behaviour
Not this Canadian woman!!
I am with you on dumping MC but the rest is silly. The truth is that if we follow the rest we really should ask to become the 51st state. We do need to negotiate a decent deal but that way does not include rolling over as you suggest.
Begging for forgiveness for being total absolute a holes is not “ rolling over”. I won’t list the many sins of Carney but fraudulently dumping Chinese steel and Chinese made cars as “ Canadian “ under CUSMA into the USA will be enough.Chrck out the Chinese made GM “ Envision”. 2016. The fact that GM Canada were party BITD to the fraud exporting them to USA as “ Canadian “ doesn’t make the fraud any less culpable. 25,000 direct Oshawa GM employment in 1975. Now ? Maybe 1200
I’m so grateful for America and all the good fortune the USA made possible for myself ,and others , over the past 50 years in Canada.
I am devastated by the sheer arrogance and duplicity of the Liberal government.
True. Carney behaving like a child
Carney is only in this for one thing. Carney, and Brookfield of course and the WEF and China and just about anyone besides Canada.
No chance MC will roll over but he might get off his high horse. Silly and naive to think the EU will replace the USA as trading partner
No chance MC will roll over but he might get off his high horse. Silly and naive to think the EU will replace the USA as trading partner. Get real Carney
I was thinking about how things changed in Canada. We had immigrants after the second world war. In the automotive sector two of them, Rainer and Harry Brezinka brothers in the 70’s ( excuse my errors in fact ) iirc invented the auto serpentine accessory drive belt and tensioner an amazing invention found in every ice car today. BITD simple V belts drove accessories. Simple, crude ,wore out squealed when slipping ,and fell off. But cheap. If I got it right the brezinkas along with Frank stronach sold Cadillac on the serp belt and the rest is history.
Where are the Brezinka’s and Stronach auto geniuses of today ?
Switch gears to Nortel. I knew many folks who worked for them. In the middle 80’s and early 90’s the computer kids out of southern Ontario universities were simply spellbinding. I hired some of them OMG. Fabulous
Where are they now?
Where are the new canadian visionaries?
I also spent time with the CEO John Roth in early 2000 who told me proudly “ I made many millionaires. “.
That company imploded but under Frank Dunn as CEO the fabulous expertise and Canadian native computer genius of Nortel was hacked and stolen.
By China.
And that has to be the saddest thing I have heard: For Carney to say that the USA presents a larger security threat to Canada than China?
Carney failed math and history.
Agreed!! Carney has been nothing more than a pox on our faces!! He said his experience as EU banker would assist Canadians. HOW as Trudeau opened the gates to migrants neglecting building homes :( Carney has jet setted wagging his jaw about carbon neutral but homes HAVEN’T been built to keep up!! :(
I would like to support you but there are just too many I already support. There are some I would like to support. I support Taxpayers Fed, National Citizens Coalition, Terry Glavin, and Rebel. Can’t do more!
I don’t trust Net Zero Carney, Chinese EVs are probably made with forced/slave labour and so heavily subsidized they are destroying the auto industries in Brazil and Europe. Where is the integrity and morality when slave labour is very probable? I keep reading how inferior Chinese steel and most products are from there. Carney has never ceased lying since he ran for Liberal leader.
We just need to abandon this liberal government..
"Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem."
Ronald Reagan
Brian, getting Carney to say he supports any job in Canada is good ! I would not cut him any slack further than that !
Why is every free trade deal he makes followed by a donation for green something or another ? Or something to promote DEI ?
Why are steel mills and a car plant shuttered but steel and cars come here from China ?
Carney is the one inflicting pain on Canadians in the dangerous and divided world !
Carney is not for Canadians !
Dear Mr Lilley, carnage carney is purposefully and successively leading our blind naive country straight into into globalist tyranny. Please don’t encourage ignorant Canadians to think anything about carney is honest or good!
Carney lies!
I don’t believe one word out of his mouth, it’s pretty clear he’s just saying what he thinks people want to hear
He was the guy to get the deal, he’s not even trying
Snake in the grass
If we want "... one that doesn’t abandon auto, including medium- and heavy-duty trucks.", maybe our negotiators should have read the contract before they rode into town with pens in their holsters. F-350s are not 'autos', they're trucks.
There is no way the Americans 'changed the contract at the last minute', any more than they had an epiphany that Canada is a bilingual country and suddenly had a problem with that. That's all nonsense.
Why can't our government just be honest with us for a change? It would save a lot of time, money, and effort from washing egg off our faces.
Unfortunately it’s mostly disappeared
Seems to me that Carney is the one causing problems for ALL Canadian industry. His ego seems to prevent him from negotiating a decent deal with the American trade delegation.
No sane Canadian wants the auto industry to disappear any more than most other reputable employers. The unanswered question with the previous bailouts and subsidies etc etc is how much have these decent paying jobs actually cost Canada and the taxpayers. At what point dollar wise do these jobs go underwater if they haven’t already? With more and more automation in these factories being a reality there seems little point in paying for imported robots.
Agree. Carney ran away from negotiating a trade deal and foolishly thinks the EU will come to Canada's rescue and China. Time to get off his high horse with Amita Anand and negotiate with our neighbour.
There is nothing wrong with the Australian approach. A Canadian auto sector only makes sense if we can export into the States (which is appearing more and more unlikely). We don't have the economy of scale to support an indigenous auto manufacturing sector, unless the government provides massive subsidies, subsidies that other industries don't get. Time to move on and stop being blackmailed.
Canada should be thinking more like Florida to get our country back in order. Cut government, cut taxes.
All very well and good to say we need a deal that protects Canada’s auto industry, but what do we bring to the table? Maybe once Canadians see that the blue wave down south isn’t going to move the needle on tariffs we can get serious about negotiating.
Dear Judy,
Most people with common sense agree with your thought process that you so articulated eloquently here and we applaud you for posting that 👏👏👏