I am very tired of the constant criticism of Pierre Poilievre. I am not sure why we have a perpetual lack of guidance and leadership from the Federal Conservative Party's National Council. Currently there 20 members on the executive...that seem to be teflon coated when it comes to all the misdirection and lack of unity between the the provincial and federal conservative parties. Time to clean house find some back bone and party whips within the executive?
I read the piece on how Ford and Poilievre arrived at some sort of impasse. Thank you.
Given that Ford is generally a congenial guy and Poilievre is pragmatic and good at bringing in numbers, is it possible that the chill is not actually between the two men, but rather something that has been stoked by the Ford circle faces we currently see and previously saw criticizing Poilievre?
That fighting in public is exactly why we can't get rid of the elites and get the "people" back in power. I have noticed that with the Freedom movement and the Alberta separation movement as well. Agree to disagree, compromise, move forward. Premier Daneille Smith is the perfect example of taking the high road. She sees the positive and uses that angle rather than negativity and bashing. Many leaders could/should learn from her example.
I agree, Brian, that your article was a well-written piece of work.
Conservatives, Progressive Conservatives, and principled conservatives seem to agree on a great deal more than about which all they are supposed to disagree.
This is a personal disagreement, far more so than it as a professional disagreement.
My respectful challenge to you is this: why bother being an ostensibly Conservative Party, or leader, if you have no intention of pursuing conservative policies?
Growing government debt. Massive subsidies to industry. Failing socialized medicine. Failing public schools that serve the need of the bureaucracy, the administrative state, and the teachers, as opposed to the parents and students.
No demonstrative action on the concurrent homelessness/drug addiction file. Taxes that force families to choose between rent and groceries. A university system loaded with tumescent bloat and shocking bureaucratic inertia.
Shall I go on?
I mean, the Liberal and NDP alliance could have delivered these results.
I did not vote in the BC Conservative race as I did not like any candidate. I also have great dislike for Kory Teneycke and Nick Kouvalis. Both of these individuals benefit from the status quo of managed decline.
The fighting seemed to pop up again the moment the BC Conservative race was decided. Lets be honest, in a race that close the presence of Kory and Nick on Elliots team could have cost her the race. The grassroots of conservatism, here in the west, seem to not like Teneycke. KFL used it to her advantage. Nick did himself no favours as well. His deranged X rants hurled towards members of BC Conservatives did Elliot no favours.
As for Jamil, he should have keep that thought to himself. Kory should have not been such a prick on CTV, fresh of his loss in BC.
Ford is a Liberal the PC party has never really been Conservative after the Federal party died. Stop calling PC conservatives they are progressives equal to Liberals
Ford is the most Liberal Conservative I’ve ever seen and Tenenycke has shown he’s actively gunning for Pierre. I find Tenenycke to be thoroughly distasteful. I too am sick of people taking shots at Poilievre . As Ontario Provincial Conservatives are a completely different bird from the Federal Conservatives I can tell you they haven’t had my vote in many years.
Basically the position of these so called “conservatives” is “if we’re not directly involved we’ll sabotage you”. Sounds like a group of people in it for themselves not because they believe that conservatism is best for the country and its people.
Isn't it possible that there's a deeper story here, not solely about boys not getting along (though I agree their behaviour is deeply unhelpful). For one thing, I'm getting the sense of a strange reversal of the traditional divisions between "true blue" conservatives and red tories. It seems the red tories are now social conservatives, going on the Elliott campaign here in BC (relatively speaking, at least as far as rhetoric goes--the anti-woke talk) but fiscally liberal--the opposite of what was the case a couple of decades ago. The true blue tories now are both fiscally conservative (lower taxes, lower debt) but are proposing a new vision and some real disruption to the "managed decline" (big debts, big spending) that seems to be the main fiscal approach of both the red tories and the liberals.
Some true blues seem less likely to lean into the anti-woke rhetoric for their conservative bona fides than the new red tories do (then other factions within this group are over the top in the anti-woke rhetoric). I hear the arguments about the true blues being unable to win, but then, what's the point of winning if your fiscal management is indistinguishable from the Liberals?
In short, the conservatives in the 2020s seem to be a wild mashup, and I wish the unifying message could be anti-managed decline. It seems though that some factions of the party (I'm thinking of the Teneycke faction) are benefiting from the status quo.
don’t think it’s fair to say the federal party is splitting just because we don’t agree with the person who is on tv only because they are Conservative. We need allies like the other parties…there are economists who agree with Pierre, too. Maybe they should mention if they are paid by another party. I’m not name calling anyone, but I do recognize a number of similar sounding messages went out yesterday saying the same as you…
The real enemy of Canada is the UN/WHO/WEF. This is the club that Komrade Karney belongs to. Any Conservative who espouses the Climate Hoax, is grifting for votes. Danielle Smith's MOU for carbon capture and pricing is one such example.
It will not matter if Conservatives gain power. If they don't pull out of the Islamo/Commie controlled NGO United Nations, Canada is over.
Brian liley anyone who isn't blind deaf or stupid knows full well Ford is a liberal dressed as a conservative
It doesn't matter, he wins and wants to gravitate to the CPC side of things.
I am very tired of the constant criticism of Pierre Poilievre. I am not sure why we have a perpetual lack of guidance and leadership from the Federal Conservative Party's National Council. Currently there 20 members on the executive...that seem to be teflon coated when it comes to all the misdirection and lack of unity between the the provincial and federal conservative parties. Time to clean house find some back bone and party whips within the executive?
Brian, your work is more important now than ever.
I read the piece on how Ford and Poilievre arrived at some sort of impasse. Thank you.
Given that Ford is generally a congenial guy and Poilievre is pragmatic and good at bringing in numbers, is it possible that the chill is not actually between the two men, but rather something that has been stoked by the Ford circle faces we currently see and previously saw criticizing Poilievre?
Interesting question.
That fighting in public is exactly why we can't get rid of the elites and get the "people" back in power. I have noticed that with the Freedom movement and the Alberta separation movement as well. Agree to disagree, compromise, move forward. Premier Daneille Smith is the perfect example of taking the high road. She sees the positive and uses that angle rather than negativity and bashing. Many leaders could/should learn from her example.
I like the way you put that.
I agree, Brian, that your article was a well-written piece of work.
Conservatives, Progressive Conservatives, and principled conservatives seem to agree on a great deal more than about which all they are supposed to disagree.
This is a personal disagreement, far more so than it as a professional disagreement.
My respectful challenge to you is this: why bother being an ostensibly Conservative Party, or leader, if you have no intention of pursuing conservative policies?
Growing government debt. Massive subsidies to industry. Failing socialized medicine. Failing public schools that serve the need of the bureaucracy, the administrative state, and the teachers, as opposed to the parents and students.
No demonstrative action on the concurrent homelessness/drug addiction file. Taxes that force families to choose between rent and groceries. A university system loaded with tumescent bloat and shocking bureaucratic inertia.
Shall I go on?
I mean, the Liberal and NDP alliance could have delivered these results.
I did not vote in the BC Conservative race as I did not like any candidate. I also have great dislike for Kory Teneycke and Nick Kouvalis. Both of these individuals benefit from the status quo of managed decline.
The fighting seemed to pop up again the moment the BC Conservative race was decided. Lets be honest, in a race that close the presence of Kory and Nick on Elliots team could have cost her the race. The grassroots of conservatism, here in the west, seem to not like Teneycke. KFL used it to her advantage. Nick did himself no favours as well. His deranged X rants hurled towards members of BC Conservatives did Elliot no favours.
As for Jamil, he should have keep that thought to himself. Kory should have not been such a prick on CTV, fresh of his loss in BC.
Doug Ford is the biggest fraud in Canada. Don’t forget he called a provincial emergency during the truckers convoy.
"Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."
Carl Sagan
Ford is a Liberal the PC party has never really been Conservative after the Federal party died. Stop calling PC conservatives they are progressives equal to Liberals
I am a board member of both my federal Conservative EDA, and my local Progressive Conservative EDA, here in London, Ontario.
The President of our PC EDA publicly endorsed the Liberal Federal candidate Peter Fragiskatos in the last Federal Election.
Ford is far from a conservative. And he is about as anti Canada and Alberta as the rest of the Eastern Traitors!
Ford is the most Liberal Conservative I’ve ever seen and Tenenycke has shown he’s actively gunning for Pierre. I find Tenenycke to be thoroughly distasteful. I too am sick of people taking shots at Poilievre . As Ontario Provincial Conservatives are a completely different bird from the Federal Conservatives I can tell you they haven’t had my vote in many years.
Basically the position of these so called “conservatives” is “if we’re not directly involved we’ll sabotage you”. Sounds like a group of people in it for themselves not because they believe that conservatism is best for the country and its people.
Agreed! The infighting needs to stop. Conservatives need to realize that no one is perfect, but any Conservative is better than a liberal!!
Isn't it possible that there's a deeper story here, not solely about boys not getting along (though I agree their behaviour is deeply unhelpful). For one thing, I'm getting the sense of a strange reversal of the traditional divisions between "true blue" conservatives and red tories. It seems the red tories are now social conservatives, going on the Elliott campaign here in BC (relatively speaking, at least as far as rhetoric goes--the anti-woke talk) but fiscally liberal--the opposite of what was the case a couple of decades ago. The true blue tories now are both fiscally conservative (lower taxes, lower debt) but are proposing a new vision and some real disruption to the "managed decline" (big debts, big spending) that seems to be the main fiscal approach of both the red tories and the liberals.
Some true blues seem less likely to lean into the anti-woke rhetoric for their conservative bona fides than the new red tories do (then other factions within this group are over the top in the anti-woke rhetoric). I hear the arguments about the true blues being unable to win, but then, what's the point of winning if your fiscal management is indistinguishable from the Liberals?
In short, the conservatives in the 2020s seem to be a wild mashup, and I wish the unifying message could be anti-managed decline. It seems though that some factions of the party (I'm thinking of the Teneycke faction) are benefiting from the status quo.
don’t think it’s fair to say the federal party is splitting just because we don’t agree with the person who is on tv only because they are Conservative. We need allies like the other parties…there are economists who agree with Pierre, too. Maybe they should mention if they are paid by another party. I’m not name calling anyone, but I do recognize a number of similar sounding messages went out yesterday saying the same as you…
The real enemy of Canada is the UN/WHO/WEF. This is the club that Komrade Karney belongs to. Any Conservative who espouses the Climate Hoax, is grifting for votes. Danielle Smith's MOU for carbon capture and pricing is one such example.
It will not matter if Conservatives gain power. If they don't pull out of the Islamo/Commie controlled NGO United Nations, Canada is over.
I was sooo waiting for this piece to be unpaywalled. Thanks Brian!